This morning, President Obama finally released the long form version of his birth certificate, and quite possibly undermined his entire presidency.
While it’s taken almost three years since Hillary Clinton supporters first brought up the issue of Obama’s birth certificate, it was undoubtedly the constant media harassment by potential presidential candidate Donald Trump (who crowned himself the de facto spokesperson of the ‘birther’ movement) to finally compel Obama to comply.
While media and pundits on both the left and the right had a good laugh at the greatest let down since the ending of the Sopranos, the most prevalent point of the entire ‘birth certificate’ debate went widely uncommented upon: The fact that Obama just proved unequivocally that he is not a ‘natural born citizen’.
[pdf]http://fleming-hayes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf[/pdf]
The ‘long form’ birth certificate that the White House released confirms that Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. was our president’s father. Obama Sr., a Kenyan by birth, was a citizen of the British Empire. While his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was an American citizen, his father never emigrated to the United States, or married her.
Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution states,
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
While the definition of ‘natural born citizen’ was never made by the founding fathers, in 2008 then Senator Obama co-sponsored Senate Resolution 511 which was drafted to address the status of senator and presidential hopeful John McCain’s status as a natural born citizen, having been born in the Panama Canal Zone.
Whereas there is no evidence of the intention of the Framers or any Congress to limit the constitutional rights of children born to Americans serving in the military nor to prevent those children from serving as their country’s President;
Whereas such limitations would be inconsistent with the purpose and intent of the `natural born Citizen’ clause of the Constitution of the United States, as evidenced by the First Congress’s own statute defining the term `natural born Citizen’;
The reference this bill makes is to,
CHAP III
An Act To establish an uniform rule of naturalization
Approved March 26 1790 US Statutes at Large Vol I pp 103 104SECTION 1
…And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond sea or out of the limits of the United States shall be considered as natural born citizens. Provided That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States.
This distinction drawn between ‘citizen’ and ‘natural born citizen’ is at the heart of the debate over Obama’s eligibility to continue serving as the President of the United States.
It’s this issue that the members of the ‘birther’ movement should have been behind since day one, instead of concocting theories about Kenya midwives and Indonesian home births.
The reason for a distinction between ‘citizen’ and ‘natural born citizen’ was exemplified in the following passage,
On July 25, 1787, John Jay wrote to George Washington, presiding officer of the Convention:
“Permit me to hint whether it would not be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government, and to declare expressly that the Command in chief of the American army shall not be given to, nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.”
What’s important to remember is that senate resolution set the standard of eligibility in the case of John McCain and is therefor applicable to all others after such precedence in its full context to weigh the eligibility of the resolution’s co-sponsor and all future presidential candidates.
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To be fair, the resolution was a “non-binding” resolution so does not in fact “set the standard” of egilibility. I agree that there are still problems with the definition of “natural born’ as applied to Obama, but that issue will never get to court. What bothers me is that no one ever explored or explained Hawaiian law and the fact that a “Certification of Live Birth” or “Certificate of Birth” may either be derived from a true hospital issued birth certificate OR the old “Certification of Hawaiian Birth” discontinued, I believe, in 1972. The COHB could be issued to any child up to 1 year old, I believe, and relied on the sworn testimony of one person that a child was born in Hawaii.
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non-binding senate commentary aside, the clause to the constitution reads :'Provided that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States.'
Obama VOTED in favor of said clause to the Constitution! citing this clause!
It's not a clause to the Constitution, it's just a resolution.
It's a resolution citing a clause from 1790 to be specific, which they are in the post.
And, for the record, this has more credence than the tax code.
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What is of equal interest to me it the fact that the hospital has never existed by the name on the Certificate. One of a similar name was founded in 1978, by the merger of a non-maternity facility and a home for unwed mothers. What troubles me is this inaccuracy….
While I agree that this is in fact troublesome, a woman who birthed twins the day after Obama from the same hospital presented their long form BC's to show that they do in fact use that hospital name as he shows it.
However, in an article I read on WND, they do refer to some discrepancies in numbering on his BC and then there's also that youtube video circling that proves the document was created in adobe as the layers fall apart with simple clicking on the WHITEHOUSE website.
What's more is why would he dump so much money battling this in court defending his right to NOT present it? Why would he allow this circus to go on?
Methinks it may be for the reasons highlighted in this post. Obama is a Constitutional lawyer and knew the murky water in which he placed himself. He probably felt painted into a corner voting on the resolution the way he did. If he voted 'no' they would have gone after his past. If he voted 'yes' he would just hope to have the media back him in painting 'birthers' as conspiracy theorists…
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That his mother was a citizen would be ruled sufficient, even though the act specifically said "father" because to deny his mother the same right would violate Equal Protection as it is currently applied. When that act was passed, women had no rights. None.
Times have changed. Under your theory, a single woman could be elected President of the United States, have a baby in the White House and that issue wouldn't be considered a 'natural born citizen' unless the father's status was verified. But a male ambassador to england impregnates a scullery maid and she gives birth at the embassy and IT would be a natural-born citizen.
Just get over it.
From usconstitution.net: "Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
Anyone born inside the United States *
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
* There is an exception in the law — the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision."
So, the theory is not sexist. Kids come from TWO parents. If we can't distinguish where both loyalties lie, better to be safe than let an unknown run the country. PLUS, the senate PURPOSEFULLY cited a clause from 1790 despite this definition. This is just civics, Christopher. We're debating law, case law, precedence and defending the republic here. It's a conversation worth having BEFORE a serious issue arises.
I'm sorry, but are you implying that being born from a foreign national who didn't raise you makes you in any way an enemy of the nation in which you were born, raised, and educated? How ridiculous!
Where were you born? How do you know? Do you remember being born? I sure don't. I can only assume I was born where my parents say, and I can only assume that the document shown to me as my birth certificate is real. I remember none of it. Nor does Obama. All he remembers is being raised by a mother who woke up early to help him study, and visiting and living with grandparents in Kansas, and attending school in Chicago and at Harvard, and serving in our U.S. Senate.
There is NO evidence that he is any way an enemy of the United States, by birth or any other means. The only reason you believe is much is because of your own political views or your own prejudice.
BTW, did you read the thing you posted?
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
Obama's mother most certain was a citizen who lived in the U.S. for much more than five years. Therefore, it does not matter WHERE Obama was born or WHAT his father's citizenship was. His father could be from Mars and he could be born on Pluto. He'd still be a U.S. citizen by virtue of his mother.
Uh… Dude, did YOU read it? the above text is referencing citizen at birth, with the intention of showing that the “two parent” requirement isn’t superflous… “citizen at birth” does not equal “natural born citizen” — no matter how much you or the media want them to be…
As much as I think the whole thing reeks, Hawaii became a state in 1959. POTUS was born 1961. The way i read "born beyond sea or out of the limits of the United States" means not in the US. But, Hawaii was part of the US in 1961- right? Leaving me to believe that its a a non-issue his father wasn't a US citizen. So, what other angles do we have? How about the issue of POTUS later being adopted by a foreigner and then enrolling in a school outside of the US? Its my understanding that to have attended this school, he would have had to given up his US citizenship? Is this correct?
While all of your questions are valid and thought-provoking, this post merely points out that, because BHO Sr was neither a citizen nor a resident and BHO Jr as senator cited this specific clause despite the current definition of NBC in the constitution, BHO Jr, by modern and most current definition of our government does not fall under the requirements of NBC. BHO Jr's citizenship has been duplicitous at multiple points of his life and one would argue is a 'progressive citizen of the world' but his NBC status is far too dubious to be given an easy pass here. There were reasons for specifying these things. Our founders knew there would be people with foreign allegiances who would try to change our republic and now we have it.
. He was not a resident. He was here on student visa.
Look up ANY of the court cases. He's hired a team of lawyers to defend his right to NOT produce a birth certificate rather than providing it. Why? If you were running for president and knew it was in your country's best interest to be certain you fill all the requirements, wouldn't you gladly produce your BC rather than the circus he's been providing for the press, the crazies and the pundits? Even after all of this a judge still ordered him to produce the long form and his lawyers appealed it. So, why would he just decide on a whim to produce it now?
Look, I'm no tinfoil hat wearer. I just enjoy facts, debate and civics. This issue has been raised in America's past for good reason and has made for interesting history. The actions of the 'questionable' presidents were surely more European-inspired and that's what the founders feared as they fought so hard with blood sweat and tears against it. Why is America so comfortable in ignoring the issues that burned inside the minds of men since our nation's inception? Why are we afraid to dig and face facts and ask questions? Why is it considered seditious to test the thoughts of our founders and solidify their thought process? Freedom is only on generation away from extinction and the first step is ignoring the past and entrusting our future to people we don't know.
Matt S., Your last paragraph sums it all up. All this other chatter is nonsense and a waste of focus. Listen, i'd rather vote for Mickey Mouse than Obama- and its almost like i did in the last elections. But seriously, for now, this document states he was born in the US, thus, making all this other dribble-drab legal ease ridiculous and time ill spent. Harvard Mom, love you like a sister, but please, for the sake of not making all Harvard grads look like they cant read, dissect the paragraph- it makes translating it much easier.
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JJ and scarolina yep, detenifily photoshopped. It’s kinda getting fun picking apart these photos. Really. I’m a huge addict when it comes to a game called Photo Hunt you look for five differences in a comparison photo. It’s quite fun and now I’m applying similar skills to Barry’s family and friend photos.The lighting is odd. Shadows don’t match. AND that arm is just very odd. The other thing is that the tiny fellow seems so very tiny when juxtaposed to 0. I’d love to learn what an expert photoshopper was able to find. If we could see these anomolies by just looking at the photo imagine what other oddities exist.The part of the story though that makes this whole thing laughable is the I don’t recall anything from back then but the student teacher instructed the photo lesson. How friggin stupid do they think we are?I just hope no one wastes their good time and energy to learn whether 0 attended that school. What a wild goose chase they’d be on, eh? Distract. Distract. Distract. That’s all these gangsta’s seem to be good at.
The idea of excluding someone from eligibility because they were born to a PARENT with foreign allegiance seems difficult for us to grasp… But I do believe that is EXACTLY what the finders intended.
I wonder if they were worried about the scenario where a sizable percentage of the population would think that it’s a non-issue, but a small and vocal minority would keep the drum beat of “he’s got foreign allegiances” going that civil unrest would ensue… So they drew a high bar just to be sure. Seems a little silly in retrospect, as that civil unrest/disagreement would NEVER occur, right?
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